Angelspit's absence from DG?

[FunkerMattiis]

Hey, new to the site and will be subscribing in the near future, i'm sure. Anyway, my question is the following; I searched through some older posts to see if anyone had requested Angelspit be listed in the music database and as far as i can tell, Angelspit WAS requested at some point and then 'voted out'... Why, exactly?? I cannot seem to obtain a satisfactory explanation as to this (apparently) controversial question. Please don't hate and post unnecessary negative comments. Any helpful comments will be appreciated.

[creepster]

there's no *helpful* comments other than after it has been requested by some people, the majority of active people voted it out again

life's a bitch

[swarmofcats]

Hey, new to the site and will be subscribing in the near future, i'm sure. Anyway, my question is the following; I searched through some older posts to see if anyone had requested Angelspit be listed in the music database and as far as i can tell, Angelspit WAS requested at some point and then 'voted out'... Why, exactly?? I cannot seem to obtain a satisfactory explanation as to this (apparently) controversial question. Please don't hate and post unnecessary negative comments. Any helpful comments will be appreciated.

Not everyone likes them.  I think they are amazing.  Just listen to your CD I guess.

[Drewthetexan]

Angelspit was removed because there was not one person who came out in favor of keeping them over about 4 weeks in the thread: this song is terrible

In the absence of any real support, the decision was made to pull 'em.  There really isn't much else to it.

And, welcome to DG.

[diseased]

Hmm - I hadn't realised the thread required positive response to keep Angelspit on the playlist :(

I like them and was enjoying the stuff off their newer album.

Not much of an issue for me as I own their first CD and intend to buy the newer one before seeing them at Mera Luna and so I'll always be able to listen when I wish.

In future I shall rabidly defend any artist whom I enjoy to ensure no further deletions take place! ;)

[Drewthetexan]

Well, if it was just people grumbling about a group, no you wouldn't necessarily need to speak up.  In this case, it was suggested that angelspit specifically be removed and because no one spoke directly against the idea, here we are.  

You should definitely speak up for artists you enjoy.  JapaneseCarCrash is still around; they seem to be everyone's second favorite band to bash (behind angelspit) and it's because someone in the minority is speaking up.  

[sinaptic]

Well, maybe my post wasn't very clear, forceful enough, or maybe it was because I didn't use expletives, was new and just ignored, or whatever but I did state that I wasn't in favor of removing ANY band.

It has always been my impression that this station tries to capture a broad snapshot of the scene, and clicking through the music database seems to confirm this. This is what drew me to it. That said, it seems to betray this to start removing bands based on the "ick, I don't like this" factor. To me, that's when you press "stop" on your player. There are a few bands played here that I don't care for and I mute until the next song, actually, but I'm not about to start lobbying that they be removed because I don't like them. Why? Because they do fit the rather broad format of the station, and there are people that enjoy them.

Now, if I tuned in one day and heard an old Dean Martin song being played, I'd probably ask that it be removed. This is because Dean Martin is not even remotely EBM, Futurepop or Industrial. It's not even electronic. However to remove an electronic act widely accepted among sizable portions of the scene is a bit mystifying to me.

Regardless, it is what it is. As diseased said, in the future people need to sign up for the forums and scream just as loud in opposition I suppose if that's how it's going to work. If that doesn't work, well then yes, there's always your CDs. :)

[creepster]

Well, maybe my post wasn't very clear, forceful enough, or maybe it was because I didn't use expletives, was new and just ignored, or whatever but I did state that I wasn't in favor of removing ANY band.

It has always been my impression that this station tries to capture a broad snapshot of the scene, and clicking through the music database seems to confirm this. This is what drew me to it. That said, it seems to betray this to start removing bands based on the "ick, I don't like this" factor. To me, that's when you press "stop" on your player. There are a few bands played here that I don't care for and I mute until the next song, actually, but I'm not about to start lobbying that they be removed because I don't like them. Why? Because they do fit the rather broad format of the station, and there are people that enjoy them.

Now, if I tuned in one day and heard an old Dean Martin song being played, I'd probably ask that it be removed. This is because Dean Martin is not even remotely EBM, Futurepop or Industrial. It's not even electronic. However to remove an electronic act widely accepted among sizable portions of the scene is a bit mystifying to me.

Regardless, it is what it is. As diseased said, in the future people need to sign up for the forums and scream just as loud in opposition I suppose if that's how it's going to work. If that doesn't work, well then yes, there's always your CDs. :)

see, i agree to what you stated ...
and in the past there always have been a couple of people who supported a specific band when another person asked of shirow to remove them (example given was japanesecarcrash, there's some more but i am not willing to look them up right now)

i am the first in line to tell a person to mute the stream when songs come along they don't like or find a more suitable station ... yadda yadda yadda
however, in the case of angelspit the active majority asked the band to be removed, shirow DID post in the thread asking dedicatedly who wants them to remain in the playlist - and nobody spoke up (i am not staking my life on it but i do not think any of those who originally recommended/suggested that band spoke up)

a lot of music does not even MAKE it into the playlist/music database out of subjective reasons, either because they are not suitable, do not bring anything new to the table, are still unknown/unheard of or are plain shit
still, whatever DG offers does cover a broad spectrum of music within the genre already

crying now that angelspit was taken out is like crying over spilled milk ... the ship has sailed ... you snooze - you lose

[Drewthetexan]

Well, maybe my post wasn't very clear, forceful enough, or maybe it was because I didn't use expletives, was new and just ignored, or whatever but I did state that I wasn't in favor of removing ANY band.

It has always been my impression that this station tries to capture a broad snapshot of the scene, and clicking through the music database seems to confirm this. This is what drew me to it. That said, it seems to betray this to start removing bands based on the "ick, I don't like this" factor. To me, that's when you press "stop" on your player. There are a few bands played here that I don't care for and I mute until the next song, actually, but I'm not about to start lobbying that they be removed because I don't like them. Why? Because they do fit the rather broad format of the station, and there are people that enjoy them.

Now, if I tuned in one day and heard an old Dean Martin song being played, I'd probably ask that it be removed. This is because Dean Martin is not even remotely EBM, Futurepop or Industrial. It's not even electronic. However to remove an electronic act widely accepted among sizable portions of the scene is a bit mystifying to me.

Regardless, it is what it is. As diseased said, in the future people need to sign up for the forums and scream just as loud in opposition I suppose if that's how it's going to work. If that doesn't work, well then yes, there's always your CDs. :)

So, rereading your post, I have to admit that you did say you liked some of their tunes. I retract saying no one spoke up for them because clearly you did. (Actually, rereading the whole thread, there were a couple folks who said they liked some of their music.)

I always just muted Angelspit or went for a smoke or whatever when they came on, and I'm not necessarily a fan of removing music either - because there are always going to be people who like it even if I don't.   

I'm sure Shirow will chime in when he gets a chance.

crying now that angelspit was taken out is like crying over spilled milk ... the ship has sailed ... you snooze - you lose

Lol, play nice!

[sinaptic]

Quote from: creepster on Today at 11:34:50 am
crying now that angelspit was taken out is like crying over spilled milk ... the ship has sailed ... you snooze - you lose

Lol, play nice!

Hehe, it's fine. She's right. I Needed to speak up louder and more concisely when I had the chance. Not months after the fact.

As far as the newcomers go that weren't around when this happened... I don't know what to say; I can see this continuing to be asked... Maybe an "already discussed and banned from dg" list sticky at the top of the forums to head off the questions and reposts?

[Shirow]

Honestly, I'd be willing to re-add them. I wasn't quite expecting the fanatical hate that came out when I added them the first time.

Here's the thing - the most important listeners to the stream are the ones that bother to post. There are thousands of people that just tune in and never contribute. I'm OK with that but their wants and desires are less compelling to me than people who subscribe, post on the forum, post reviews and whatever else. I haven't removed japaneseCARCRASH for the same reason I haven't removed a lot of other bands - I felt that they brought something to the station and there were others that liked them.

People often say 'OMG this band sucks' on here and I respond with 'that's nice' - if I like them, then I'm willing to take my opinion as the defensible one. However, I don't personally care that much for Angelspit. I don't hate them, I wouldn't mute the stream when they came on but I wouldn't listen to them in my car. When I added them, it was really because a couple of people requested them. When I did, an 8 page thread ensued with not really a single person saying even 'I think they are pretty decent' and a lot of people saying 'OMG they suck.'

I have no real interest in playing stuff that NOBODY likes... but I would gladly re-add Angelspit if a couple of people made a thread and said 'you know, they really add something to the scene and I miss hearing them on here.'

DG is not totally democratic but I have (frequently) added (and removed) bands because of public outcry.

So I will take this thread as the first request. Keep it going, if some other people are zealous fans I will go home tonight and re add 'Channel Hell' as the first song :)

[creepster]

crying now that angelspit was taken out is like crying over spilled milk ... the ship has sailed ... you snooze - you lose

Lol, play nice!

i #%@$ was nice!

q=

[Lexus]

As far as the newcomers go that weren't around when this happened... I don't know what to say; I can see this continuing to be asked... Maybe an "already discussed and banned from dg" list sticky at the top of the forums to head off the questions and reposts?

Like newbs actually read any lists with rules or similar things. That only happens after they become regulars.

[Berger Stahl]

I dont understand how can people continue requesting this POS band.

what i do understand is that times are changing, people change, music changes, and therefore the genre has to adapt, but by requesting Angelspit to be re-added, is like requesting Lady Gaga to be added simply because they're both "electronic-inclined"

Now, if people really like the band for the music and not just for their "cyber-industrial" looks
which im sure is NOT the case, then by all means add them....

Yeah, industrial is a very broad genre, but doest mean Shirow has to add every piece of crap band out there simply because of the band's industrial influences... of course, if that's the case, then please add
Powerman 5000, Rob zombie, timbaland, gwen stefani, and definitely, britney spears...

[Lexus]

I dont understand how can people continue requesting this POS band.

what i do understand is that times are changing, people change, music changes, and therefore the genre has to adapt, but by requesting Angelspit to be re-added, is like requesting Lady Gaga to be added simply because they're both "electronic-inclined"

Now, if people really like the band for the music and not just for their "cyber-industrial" looks
which im sure is NOT the case, then by all means add them....

Yeah, industrial is a very broad genre, but doest mean Shirow has to add every piece of crap band out there simply because of the band's industrial influences... of course, if that's the case, then please add
Powerman 5000, Rob zombie, timbaland, gwen stefani, and definitely, britney spears...

Oh come on, there is a world of difference between Angelspit and their influence on Industrial and all the other stuff you mentioned.

And in essence youre just saying you dont understand other peoples taste. Well, thats why its other peoples taste and not yours.
This is getting a pretty pointless argument.