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[Preliatus]

After listening to Assemblage 23 a lot, mostly their album Contempt. I caught onto this theory that Lady Gaga stole her back beat for Poker Face, from Assemblage 23. This similarity can be heard in Anthem from the album Contempt.

Just wanted to point this out.. My step mother listens to an unholy amount of Lady Gaga, and I couldn't get it out of my head.

[creepster]

After listening to Assemblage 23 a lot, mostly their album Contempt. I caught onto this theory that Lady Gaga stole her back beat for Poker Face, from Assemblage 23. This similarity can be heard in Anthem from the album Contempt.

Just wanted to point this out.. My step mother listens to an unholy amount of Lady Gaga, and I couldn't get it out of my head.

that's what you say ... q=

honestly *stealing* of song components is quite common
i find the most obvious coming from front line assembly, recognizing loops and snippets found from songs done by massive attack (as one example)

[xeno]

After listening to Assemblage 23 a lot, mostly their album Contempt. I caught onto this theory that Lady Gaga stole her back beat for Poker Face, from Assemblage 23. This similarity can be heard in Anthem from the album Contempt.

Just wanted to point this out.. My step mother listens to an unholy amount of Lady Gaga, and I couldn't get it out of my head.

They're similar, but not similar enough that I would accuse her of stealing it...

Personally, I would think it's pretty impossible to make that kind of beat without it sounding remotely
like any other song ever made...

[thinkingthing]

On a related note, I think A23's Collapse sounds suspiciously like Justin Timberlake's sexyback. Inspired by it maybe.

[Lexus]

Yeah, lots of modern pop artists are as creative as the back end of a donkey's ass. I predict that in a decade they will be making remixes of remixes.

[Shirow]

What do you mean  by 'YOU PEOPLE'? :O

[Make Tea Not War]

Lady Gaga aka antichrist...

[xeno]

Yeah, lots of modern pop artists are as creative as the back end of a donkey's ass. I predict that in a decade they will be making remixes of remixes.

I don't think modern pop artists are less creative than, say, artists in our scene, or
the IDM scene, or the hip hop / rap scene, or the country scene, or... well.. other scenes I
don't know... I suspect when I once in a while hear an artist that I perceive as truely
creative, it's because I'm not familiar with that artists scene, and thus haven't heard all
the stuff he's copied...

most music is a combination of copycat'ing standards in the scene you're operating, and adding
something unique to it yourself...

when that is said, lots and lots of the current top hits have been written by Max Martin and
his team, and sold to the artists...  Typically a pop artist that wanna break through makes
an album themselves, then buy 1-2 hits from Max Martin to get on the lists...

[Lexus]

Yeah, lots of modern pop artists are as creative as the back end of a donkey's ass. I predict that in a decade they will be making remixes of remixes.

I don't think modern pop artists are less creative than, say, artists in our scene, or
the IDM scene, or the hip hop / rap scene, or the country scene, or... well.. other scenes I
don't know... I suspect when I once in a while hear an artist that I perceive as truely
creative, it's because I'm not familiar with that artists scene, and thus haven't heard all
the stuff he's copied...

most music is a combination of copycat'ing standards in the scene you're operating, and adding
something unique to it yourself...

when that is said, lots and lots of the current top hits have been written by Max Martin and
his team, and sold to the artists...  Typically a pop artist that wanna break through makes
an album themselves, then buy 1-2 hits from Max Martin to get on the lists...

Well thats the point. Normally you copy a style and do something with it to make your own sound. A bunch of pop artists dont even do that. They just flatout copy whole parts of someone else his song/beat and say they did it.

Orrrr, the other possible way is that some company picks some dude from the street, then hire a bunch of professional song writers to write a song, let the guy read the words into a microphone, get a bunch of professional sound technicians to make it sound catchy and then send that crap over the airwaves.

As you can see, Im not impressed by current day pop music.

[xeno]

...and then there's the rap stars, that don't even pretend that they don't steal...

Puff Daddy - Come With Me = Led Zeppelin - Kashmir

Pras - Ghetto Superstar = Bee Gees - Islands in a Stream

there are countless others...

[faelaenx]

i think we can all agree that the mainstream music industry, much like the oil industry, exemplifies humankind's endless and unsurprising depths of avarice. When there is money involved, creative rights and ideals be damned.

However, there is a fine line (i suppose) betwixt influence and out-right theft. i tend to prefer to think that industrial/electronic music as a whole is a confluence of music streams and ideas. The early 90s pretty much solidified this type of music. It was marked by all kinds of sampling. And my life, for one, feels better for it. The idea of intellectual property perplexes me almost as much as physical property itself.

i suppose that what it comes down to is what each of us choose to listen to and/or support. Even this (many-faceted) genre has its hacks, thieves and wannabees. But it's truly harder to decipher than when listening to some modern pop. Honestly i think most people aren't in it for the art, but for the 'underground fame' and a chance to show themselves off in whatever light (or darkness as it may be) possible. After all, who doesn't want to be adored by the select few?

but i'm just a cynic, a sometimes optimistic pessimist if you will....
so definitely don't listen to anything i rant about =)

[Lexus]

However, there is a fine line (i suppose) betwixt influence and out-right theft. i tend to prefer to think that industrial/electronic music as a whole is a confluence of music streams and ideas. The early 90s pretty much solidified this type of music. It was marked by all kinds of sampling. And my life, for one, feels better for it. The idea of intellectual property perplexes me almost as much as physical property itself.

It kinda depends on what end of electronic music youre looking. Popular trance dj's these days often just remix some obscure 60's or 70's song, make a clip with a bunch of cheerleaders or girls in bikinis and everyone thinks they are great.

[swarmofcats]

What do you mean  by 'YOU PEOPLE'? :O

What do YOU mean "you people???"  /tropicthunder  ;)

The intro may have even been made from the same equipment, it sounds really really close but not sampled or straight up ripped off.

Listen to the first 30 seconds or so of "Tomorrow Never Comes" by VNV Nation then listen to the first 30 seconds of "Impermanence" (sorry can't find link but it's out there) by A23.  The windy pulsing synth sounding thing sounds so similar you can hardly tell the two apart.

I also noticed the same thing when I listened to SITD's "Frontal" though I can't place where I've heard the rhythm before.  And Rotersand's "We Will Kill Them All" has the same beat in the background as Empty's "Blue" remix.  And everybody sounds like Covenant at one point or another.  ;)  Hehe jk, but it happens a lot, you hear the same sounds in similar rhythm in different songs even though the artists haven't directly ripped each other off.  (Except in certain cases where it seems like they are copying a riff on purpose to pay tribute.  See: Julien-k "Kick the Bass" vs Sisters of Mercy "Dominion.")

Meh.  Now I won't be able to listen to "Collapse" without hearing J-lake. :(  hehehe

[thinkingthing]

I heard Lady Gaga and  I have to say it wasn't revolting, it was even kind of catchy. Not at all the fluff I'd expect on terrestrial radio. I guess it's hard fluff.

[osteomy]

If you take the music form NIN's Closer and put it to 50 cent's Candy Shop... yea, you get the idea...