Message #10450

[Hunter J7]

Hey I'm new here to the new generation of industrial and have  been listening diligently for the last few days and I like most of what I am hearing.  But when talking about Throbbing Gristle, 242, SP, FLA, Clock DVA and EN.  You may as well throw in Portion Control, Severed Heads, Test Department, Revolting Cocks, Legendary Pink Dots, Bauhouse, and so much other stuff that I and others have on vynil.  It was all so fukin different in such a cool new way.  I would love to hear 242's U Men live on here and much of the other early stuff that has had influence on todays generation on Industrial / Indepenmdat.  Its all good and even some of that stuff that seemed like just noise from the early days.  They each and all had ther own meanings to them, but the cold war was one of the leading reasons.  Born in XIXAX by Nina Hagen may not have been exactly classified as industrial.  But it was and still is damn cool.  Cheers to Industrial / Independant / Alternative...  Its the meaning of life. 
And Ya with Neubauten at Expo 86.  We partied with those guys after that amazing show and I had a good chat with the steel tool drummer as I was building the gear for Skinny Puppy at the time.  What a cool night that was.

but when was DAWN OF ASHES ever "industrial"?
i own 2 of their albums and like them, but it sounds like blatantly standard EBM to me...

there's not much industrial being made anymore it seeems. everything's 4/4 beats anymore...

thankfullly the latest offfering from NITZER EBB is straight-up industrial, but yea...

Heh, the illusive "industrial" genre... :) - to be honest, it's best just forgetting about what
"true" industrial is, go with the flow and use it to describe most or all music that either is
or could be published by Metropolis, Alfa Matrix, Out of Line or Dependent.

Industrial was used first by Throbbing Gristle and their likes...  and trust me, Throbbing Gristle
sounds nothing like Nitzer Ebb... Throbbing Gristle also sounds nothing like the rest of the stuff
that is currently branded "industrial"...

yea, i know... it's just that when i hear industrial, it usuallly means stufff that sounds like SP, FLA, NITZER, CLOCK DVA, etc.

the pioneeers (TG, EN, SPK, etc.) seeem to have beeen lumped into a subgenre callled "experimental" industrial or even "avante garde"...

genres... gottta love 'em. but i seriously would never classsify most EBM as industrial at alll. helll, it sounds more like techno than it does industrial imho.

don't get me wrong tho... i listen to alll of it and i enjoy it alll. i guesss we alll just have our own ways to classssify songs in our iTunes ;) :D

Yeah :)

Actually, it's funny. The first "industrial"'ish thing I listened to was Apoptygma Berzerk, and that
was pretty catchy right away, while stuff like FLA and Front 242 was just boring random shit...
When I got used to those, I considered those hard industrial, and Skinny Puppy was just
boring random and cold experimental B-side material (cold because I started with "The Process").
When I got used to SP, EN and TG was just unlistenable noise (by then FLA and F242 was pretty
much plain EBM, almost synthpop). Then when I got used to EN and TG, Skinny Puppy is kinda
like regular pop music to me, FLA and 242 almost mainstream...  and now stuff like Wolf Eyes and
so is experimental noise to me (then again, Wolf Eyes and such actually are noise projects, so I guess
that might stick...). and the more I listen to stuff like Wolf Eyes and such, the more TG is plain mainstream music :)

so it's all in the (moving) eyes of the beholder... :)

btw, the funny thing with Einsturzende Neubauten is that they never intended to be
experimental when it came to instruments, but they were so poor that the drummer
had to sell his drums, so he borrowed and stole some tools that he used instead...
...and it went on from there...

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but when was DAWN OF ASHES ever "industrial"?
i own 2 of their albums and like them, but it sounds like blatantly standard EBM to me...

there's not much industrial being made anymore it seeems. everything's 4/4 beats anymore...

thankfullly the latest offfering from NITZER EBB is straight-up industrial, but yea...

Heh, the illusive "industrial" genre... :) - to be honest, it's best just forgetting about what
"true" industrial is, go with the flow and use it to describe most or all music that either is
or could be published by Metropolis, Alfa Matrix, Out of Line or Dependent.

Industrial was used first by Throbbing Gristle and their likes...  and trust me, Throbbing Gristle
sounds nothing like Nitzer Ebb... Throbbing Gristle also sounds nothing like the rest of the stuff
that is currently branded "industrial"...

yea, i know... it's just that when i hear industrial, it usuallly means stufff that sounds like SP, FLA, NITZER, CLOCK DVA, etc.

the pioneeers (TG, EN, SPK, etc.) seeem to have beeen lumped into a subgenre callled "experimental" industrial or even "avante garde"...

genres... gottta love 'em. but i seriously would never classsify most EBM as industrial at alll. helll, it sounds more like techno than it does industrial imho.

don't get me wrong tho... i listen to alll of it and i enjoy it alll. i guesss we alll just have our own ways to classssify songs in our iTunes ;) :D

Yeah :)

Actually, it's funny. The first "industrial"'ish thing I listened to was Apoptygma Berzerk, and that
was pretty catchy right away, while stuff like FLA and Front 242 was just boring random shit...
When I got used to those, I considered those hard industrial, and Skinny Puppy was just
boring random and cold experimental B-side material (cold because I started with "The Process").
When I got used to SP, EN and TG was just unlistenable noise (by then FLA and F242 was pretty
much plain EBM, almost synthpop). Then when I got used to EN and TG, Skinny Puppy is kinda
like regular pop music to me, FLA and 242 almost mainstream...  and now stuff like Wolf Eyes and
so is experimental noise to me (then again, Wolf Eyes and such actually are noise projects, so I guess
that might stick...). and the more I listen to stuff like Wolf Eyes and such, the more TG is plain mainstream music :)

so it's all in the (moving) eyes of the beholder... :)

btw, the funny thing with Einsturzende Neubauten is that they never intended to be
experimental when it came to instruments, but they were so poor that the drummer
had to sell his drums, so he borrowed and stole some tools that he used instead...
...and it went on from there...

but when was DAWN OF ASHES ever "industrial"?
i own 2 of their albums and like them, but it sounds like blatantly standard EBM to me...

there's not much industrial being made anymore it seeems. everything's 4/4 beats anymore...

thankfullly the latest offfering from NITZER EBB is straight-up industrial, but yea...

Heh, the illusive "industrial" genre... :) - to be honest, it's best just forgetting about what
"true" industrial is, go with the flow and use it to describe most or all music that either is
or could be published by Metropolis, Alfa Matrix, Out of Line or Dependent.

Industrial was used first by Throbbing Gristle and their likes...  and trust me, Throbbing Gristle
sounds nothing like Nitzer Ebb... Throbbing Gristle also sounds nothing like the rest of the stuff
that is currently branded "industrial"...

yea, i know... it's just that when i hear industrial, it usuallly means stufff that sounds like SP, FLA, NITZER, CLOCK DVA, etc.

the pioneeers (TG, EN, SPK, etc.) seeem to have beeen lumped into a subgenre callled "experimental" industrial or even "avante garde"...

genres... gottta love 'em. but i seriously would never classsify most EBM as industrial at alll. helll, it sounds more like techno than it does industrial imho.

don't get me wrong tho... i listen to alll of it and i enjoy it alll. i guesss we alll just have our own ways to classssify songs in our iTunes ;) :D

Yeah :)

Actually, it's funny. The first "industrial"'ish thing I listened to was Apoptygma Berzerk, and that
was pretty catchy right away, while stuff like FLA and Front 242 was just boring random shit...
When I got used to those, I considered those hard industrial, and Skinny Puppy was just
boring random and cold experimental B-side material (cold because I started with "The Process").
When I got used to SP, EN and TG was just unlistenable noise (by then FLA and F242 was pretty
much plain EBM, almost synthpop). Then when I got used to EN and TG, Skinny Puppy is kinda
like regular pop music to me, FLA and 242 almost mainstream...  and now stuff like Wolf Eyes and
so is experimental noise to me (then again, Wolf Eyes and such actually are noise projects, so I guess
that might stick...). and the more I listen to stuff like Wolf Eyes and such, the more TG is plain mainstream music :)

so it's all in the (moving) eyes of the beholder... :)

btw, the funny thing with Einsturzende Neubauten is that they never intended to be
experimental when it came to instruments, but they were so poor that the drummer
had to sell his drums, so he borrowed and stole some tools that he used instead...
...and it went on from there...