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Offline Sylem X

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Subgenres
« on: June 17, 2009, 07:04:50 AM »
Got a question for everyone: My favorite artists on DG are bands such as System Syn, The Echoing Green, Angels and Agony, etc. Is there a name this this sub-genre that I enjoy so much, or is it just a loose assortment of artists?

Also, how come I never seem to hear these guys on DG anymore? Is your randomizer set up to favor newly-added music, Shirow? Do you ever delete old music?
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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 10:10:00 AM »
I do delete old music. New music is only favored in Fresh Ammo. The bigger the playlist gets, the less play each artist gets unless they are very well represented.

System Syn and Angels & Agony are definitely both still in the playlist.
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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2009, 10:45:18 AM »
System Syn, The Echoing Green, Angels and Agony, (God Module)

is a sub genre which could be called "Aggrotech-futurepop"

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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2009, 08:55:45 AM »
mmm... i thought aggropop something like grendel
futurepop = ayria.

well, there is always the classification issue

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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2009, 09:13:55 AM »
I don't think I'd call Angels & Agony 'aggro' anything, personally.
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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2009, 09:53:52 AM »
I don't think I'd call Angels & Agony 'aggro' anything, personally.

I was thinking the same exact thing.

Classification of sub-genres. Blah. It's all in the Industrial/Ebm umbrella anyway.

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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2009, 02:55:10 PM »
mmm... i thought aggropop something like grendel
futurepop = ayria.

well, there is always the classification issue

Actually, from what I've heard, I think Futurepop was a marketing brand that initially was a synonum for the 3 bands Apoptygma Berzerk (around the Welcome to Earth era), Covenant (around Northern Light) and VNV Nation (around Empires/Futureperfect). The concept was to sell more albums by associating the music with the most well known artists, allthough I have no details here...

As for the bands in question, I would hardly group them together in the same tiny subgenre at all... wouldn't even classify them as industrial, rather dance/electronica or something...

By the way, a nice place for checking out one opinion/definition of genres is Ishkur's guide...
our corner of the world is bundled together under trance, for some practical reason... and I struggle to see why he split the artists the way he did between darksynth, darkwave and futurepop... but meh, subgenres in this kinda music is a messy hell...

http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/
« Last Edit: August 23, 2009, 02:56:53 PM by xeno »

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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2009, 03:53:07 PM »
There's this album called Forever by supergroup Bruderschaft that somewhere (I forget where) I got the impression that it was supposed to be some kind of Futurepop manifesto. But I see according to Amazon it's considered a tribute album...

Angels & Agony
Colony 5
Lights of Euphoria
Grendel
and of course VNV Nation...

Amazon:

"This project features: the famous New York DJ & promoter Rexx Arkana (lyrics), Sebastian Komor (ICON OF COIL) on music, Joakim Montelius (COVENANT) on electronic loops, Ronan Harris (VNV NATION) on vocals and Stephan Groth (APOPTYGMA BERZERK) on backing vocals and production. This first release "Forever" is dedicated to Rexx Arkana's father: Charles Richard Millhouse who died in 1999 after having lost the battle against cancer, he was only 57 years old"

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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2009, 01:14:02 AM »
All the Artists mentioned above I think to the best of my knowledge would fall under ELECTRO INDUSTRIAL ? check out www.metropolis-records.com  as all these aritsts & more appear on this label,also there is a storyline as how each band came about.Check it out & give some feedback.
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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2009, 07:53:15 AM »
System Syn - Electro EBM
The Echoing Green - Synthpop
Angels & Agony - Electro
VNV NATION - Electro

Thanx 2 Metropolis Records.

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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2009, 08:29:05 AM »
"Electro" ... really? I was hoping for something a bit more specific than that...
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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2009, 01:40:54 PM »
"Electro" ... really? I was hoping for something a bit more specific than that...

Here's another serious (and possibly pretentious) attempt :)


System Syn: crossover between Ambient Trance, Synthpop and Futurepop

The Echoing Green: goddamn hard to place - lots of bands like that, but don't
know if there's a defined genre... just to invent something, I would say
Second Wave of Anthemic Synthpop with IDM influences - just to make it
easy :)

Angels & Agony: Futurepop, plain and simple

VNV Nation: Allthough they were a major part of the Futurepop hype, I wouldn't put
them there - I would say they started off as EBM, and I would say their newer stuff
is Epic EBM or something...
« Last Edit: August 28, 2009, 01:43:42 PM by xeno »

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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2009, 01:21:25 AM »
The Echoing Green: goddamn hard to place - lots of bands like that, but don't
know if there's a defined genre... just to invent something, I would say
Second Wave of Anthemic Synthpop with IDM influences - just to make it
easy :)

That invention is pretty flawed... there's already defined a "Second Wave of Synthpop",
and the bands associated with that doesn't have much in common with stuff like
The Echoing Green at all...

problem is, the pure synthpop people consider bands like that EBM, while for us EBM heads, they
are clearly not EBM but synthpop...

could steal the term Bodypop from And One, but I don't think that fits The Echoing Green much...
I guess a term like Anthemic IDM Pop would make some people's head explode...

maybe Progressive Synthpop, Electropop or something?

anyway, I'm lost... it's goddamn impossible...

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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2009, 06:40:59 AM »
I guess the question is, does it matter? When people ask me I say 'they sound a bit like band X'

Categorising bands by genre is a futile exercise IMO.
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Re: Subgenres
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2009, 12:49:19 PM »
Maybe, but I still think it's at least a bit instructive. It also helps me find other bands that are in the subgenre
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